Talent code and cracking the code

While talent can be said to be skills, the building blocks to create the talent themselves been a mystery a long time and the book by David Coyle showed along some like professor Anders Eriksson with his 10000 hours of deliberate practice that talent is created not a born ability.

No one been able to copy a golf swing from Ben Hogan or anyone else in the history of the game, then I came along and did that with Mike Austin’s motion and transfer that skill to Hans Andersson.

When you know what to do as I do then there is no secret or mystery.

I been an amateur in regard to golf, I play with friends for fun and laughter. Never been concern with pro golf or such. That changed as I met Hans. As he injured himself with his modern golf swing and didn’t want to change I then had to build him a new swing.

So I did.

Talent are skills, trainable such.

Chess is a memory thing, to be better at chess you train memory for positions and can raise your chess rating with a few thousand points that way. You don’t need to think ahead or be creative you need a good memory and knowing chess positions. If you do that you be beating your chess friends easily.

If you believe it is something else when you practice chess then that wont improve your skills or results.

I spent 8 sessions practice the new golf template I developed. In each session I run the cracked code of how to build talent and then add improvement in each session. Golfers normally understand to build a new swing takes 2 or 5 years like Tiger with Sean Foley and then still failing so golfers knows how difficult it is.

To then apply the cracked talent code to the practice as I do allows me to do things faster than anyone else can do in the world.

When you end up with the “can do” criteria then your done.
How fast will that happen then?
It depends.

Most I seen with Hans is 3 weeks when he implemented a movement and that was mainly due to lacking the flexibility and he needed time to adjust for it. Normally its really fast.

  1. You need a good template.
  2. You implement the RBIm talent program for practice
  3. You end up with “Can do”.

Yes it means you be able to swing like Mike Austin did if you apply that template.

You cant replace 50 or so years playing golf due to golf include other skills than hitting a golf ball but at least you have a good solid foundation to start from.

Most assume this

However, if you use the modern swing like thedanplan did then you will fail. Back pain, short hitting and failure no matter how much deliberate practice you do and he had professor Anders Eriksson’s support.

You need a template that’s good not one that suck.

Then your practice will enhance and improve what your doing so you can reach the same skill set Mike Austin had or as someone else had. However what people believe is true like a held off release, a modern swing and then constant back problems and short hitting then you keep on believing that even if someone like Boklov came along with the V-style as people laughed then he won the title and no one laughed anymore as they all changed to the new V-style,same way flosbury flop did in high jumping.

Practice isn’t enough, bad practice is even worse and reason for many to believe in the talent myth. While having a good coach an expert in the field like Monte schienblum isn’t enough as what he teaches isn’t good enough. You end up failing as its to difficult to do consistently.

Then we move into the performance arena in why some people are able to do better than others consistently those elite level performers’. How do you practice that?

Question: Where do one find the 2 shot difference in ones golf game?

Peak book strategy
By being specific about what to do?
Intense focus then wont help.
Direct Feedback wont help.
Discomfort or comfort wont help either.
Coaching from experts wont work either.

A new approach is then needed.

Question: Where do one find the 2 shot difference in ones golf game?

RBIm talent build program

Identify the skill set needed in the performance.
Analyze important variables, ex: proximity to hole, putting.
Ask, can one do those to required skill level?
if so, the solution isn’t skill in its technical nature.
Answer: The state of mind then influence ones performance.

What are then the performance skill needed to focus ones performance to bring out ones best consistent performance?

Check experts: super confidence Bob Rotella, check source Rory loose his game miss the cut, super confidence isn’t the answer.

Identify great performances and map mind focus to find a solution.

Golf is distance control, that means judgement of distance and execution of distance needs to match.
That’s easy.

To bring out ones precision control to be able to repeat ones performance each time however isn’t.

Analyzing performance and mind focus shows people are tracking a target and executing based upon external raw data. Assumption wrong in science, there is no external data.
New revision created based on observation of performances in the zone.

New model derived to be tested.
Test: Solution worked.
Implementation of model is next.

Understanding the difference
to create distinctions of difference is the main goal in any practice.

To develop such models one need to understand the essence of the skill in context and then be able to check difference and teach that difference to someone so they can experience that vs whatever they been doing previously.

A template then with a instruction set to match allows a faster route to “can do”.

Breakthroughs are fun times

At some point when one build talent you enter the realm when it starts to clicks. Utilizing quality of feedback settings variation to improve then find how that works.

In each action there is a a perceived action then a action and while its easy to believe the trouble people have is when the assumption mismatch reality the brain goes into solving mode which wont work. Reality is then superseded for the circle of perceptual perceived not the reality achieved.

So one applies measurement to find evidence and facts. Then there is no room for guesswork, beliefs or assumed notions. Naturally drills don’t really work, the instruction set of such is a bad way to do things.

Creating difference is the way to improve to build new skills.

Then at some point one reach a breakthrough being able to just do. The key point is feedback obviously to create that difference and since I uncovered years ago the way to do that one can expect a fast improvement due to the way one applies it.

The issue is the way our mind works with perceived difference as your mind will encounter a different reality vs the one assumed the brain normally just loops the assumption and tries to solve the difference. It just happens and then one miss the learning and one repeats the same.

In the eight sessions I done performance has increased each time, improved. Lessons learned has been applied back to an improved instruction set.

Today was such one, understanding what to do in perceived action then feeling it allowing for improvement again getting that compound pivot down.

A great day

What makes golf hard to learn even impossible?

80% of golfers sit between 18 and 36 handicap. less than 10% reach single handicap and only a tiny less than 1% reach scratch.

That is what modern golf instruction creates for you.

Looking at swings just means its a cool watch but you cant do what they do doing that.

Perceptually my golf mechanics is now so much different than what it has been. How one perceive feel isn’t different from one to another. I said to Hans many times so do this happens and he says, yes it does.

Perception plays a big part in the complexity.
Then beliefs about what one is suppose to do based on erroneous flawed thinking.
Assumptions forms that now makes it impossible for the individual to perceive what to do even when told what to do.

Developing a better instruction set is part perceived action that has nothing to do with the swing itself but with the perception that has to be there, if you don’t have that then your not able to do it properly.

Normally my practice runs like this,

  1. Template
  2. Apply action
  3. Feedback received
  4. Impact on perceptions

First day practice – Feedback – lack of power.
Analyze action tweak instruction.
Test second session – Feedback – Test confirmed solution worked.
New instruction developed.

Next, improve pelvis movement to a compound pivot.
Three sessions to find and improve the instruction set.
Identify actions I do that don’t match the intended movement and then adjust to match.

Improvements are mapped from each session as most believe a practice session is about hitting balls which isn’t the case but to find and do the movement. Once your able to do that your ball striking also improves.

  1. Template
  2. Identify movement to do
  3. Identify movement one does.
  4. Practice new movement using instruction set.

You want to know what your doing so you can identify the difference with the movement you want to do. If not your not able to improve much if any. Your practice session then wont lead to improvement unless your able to identify the differences.

If your able to practice as so then one day you may have this swing motion the best efficient swing mechanics in the world.

6 sessions later

Practice is a little like, do one thing, receive feedback, alter what you do to improve.

Simple concept really but to make it work requires some insight in how the brain works with learning. When I solved the way talent is created and built that also allowed me to improve faster than before.

In 6 sessions I been able to get the template down which I developed for Hans based on Mike Austin’s motion. Feels good.

While the template is known the next step is instructions.

While applying the template, first thing was to refine the feedback in the movement, that was feedback from day 1 and day 2 confirmed the new instruction worked. The next thing was to fix the throw mechanic and improve the pivot and that took 3 sessions and confirmed working session 6.

Conceptually we cant do positions in a golf swing. However everyone teach you that and then add drills. What you need is to know what to do, simplify the attention and then add effective quality feedback.

This is bad advice btw

He Nick Faldo leaves the whole body out of the movement, he already can move properly so he can show it that way but try it and you find your whole body mechanic is left out.

if your an amateur, you don’t know how a flawless effortless impact feels like. My sis kid was frustrated, he could not hit one good swing, I let him do that, when he was angered enough went and sat down with his phone, I said, hey lets try this and he wasn’t willing but he went with it as I told him what to do and then he swung and smoked it.

I said, that’s how it feels like.

He improved directly.

Without the feedback and some evidence your hitting it properly its basically impossible to do it and to find it on your own. Its a reason no one except me been able to model a golf swing and then transfer the motion to someone else in the history of golf.

Next up is myself and those I atm are working with.
There be 4 people then that are able to do what Mike Austin did do but couldn’t transfer and teach.

That’s how models and template works. You have a blueprint in how someone does things, then the code is transferred using instruction of the defined essential action in the result produced. The instruction set is getting updated along the way as teaching Hans was to easy as he already had things like impact. Applying this the recent week or so in 6 sessions have created a much improved instruction set.

  1. Template model of Mike Austin’s motion
  2. Instruction set to transfer skills aka motion of Mike Austin
  3. Practice period when the instructions set is practiced

Problem for anyone who can do things is to explain how your doing the things you do. Your just able to do them and the brain habituate everything so a lot of information is hidden as its synced with the coordination itself of doing what one does. Modeling is a way to uncover what one does, building a instruction set to transfer the essential skills and replicate the result or even improve upon.

So what people do watching a swing you wont be able to replicate what you see. If it was you be able to swing like Ben Hogan could or someone else but obviously that wont work, it wont work even if the individual themselves explain it either as seen with Mike Dunaway that couldn’t do it either in spite of being taught personally by Mike Austin.

When you explain the individual needs to adapt to your instruction as seen with Sean Foley  and Tiger and then when Sean explains to people that a baseball pitch works one way when it cant then one have to ask how people get a trainer certificate. Obviously explaining things like Mike Austin does,

The explanation is just nonsense. You wont be able to follow it and swing as he did.
Its in essence, worthless.

Once the template was formed the question is if the instruction set is good enough to transfer the skills. I then do two things at the same time, one is to do the practice follow the instruction set developed, if something is off I am able to track that down and improve on it.

Day 1, lack of power was evident, my distance improvement was there but I didn’t feel any power.
Analyze was shown what was missing, added that instruction.

Day 2 practice session, worked, felt power added distance.

Day 3, 4 and 5 was to improve the pivot and throwing action and the new instruction set developed and then tested on day 6 confirmed the action was now improved.

Pivot and proper movement was now happening and distance was added again. Day 7 will be more of what was happening in day 6 and further worked on if needed.

Improvement or building talent don’t take long unless you lack feedback. The issue with drills is a lack of that and there is no real way to improve them either. Its a simple concept, do – feedback either you improve which is good or you did not, if the improvement is lacking one analyze and then add something so you do improve.

You can build skills in such a short time frame that people have told me repeatedly is impossible.

I still did it. I am still doing it.

Felt good about todays session.

How much time to improve? or talent building

It depends due to feedback of difference is different.

My first session informed me a lack of power, so that was easy to fix as I made adjustment coming home after watching on video why that was. Second session showed me power was there.

That was an easy solution. Improvement was good.

Next was to create a better pelvis movement based on throw mechanics and that’s taken 3 more sessions. In my terms, that’s reasonable time spent to change the movement one does to a new one. I haven’t done the new one before so making the body able to do that obviously is a hurdle of new. Today it felt like progress as I started to do what I wanted but was on and off and it wasn’t optimal. I got to a point where I felt like I could start swinging with the movement.

So once I have progress, and can swing with the movement then next step towards a working movement is close. Once you get there then you can just do it, its then done.

How long that takes has to do with quality of feedback or what some call deliberate practice. The progress often goes slowly at first then accelerate as your started to build enough feedback and crescend when your able to do.

  1. Want to improve skill, bridge the gap between knowledge and doing.
  2. Define new and old action.
  3. Utilize the feedback for difference.
  4. Do I do more of the new or continue to do the old?

At some point frustration happens as your brain is firing to accommodate the learning and when you become slightly excited its when your brain has started to kick in the new direction.

That process can take a few minutes or be longer depending what quality of feedback is used. I use the reference “can do” once that happens practice is done and over as you can do. Before you can do your learning take time to bridge the gap and how fast that happens is depending on how good your quality of feedback is.

Usually you be highly focused on the task itself (deep focused stare) to isolate the movement itself due to your brain cant separate one (old/new) from one another. Once your able to do that your then able to improve massively in a short timeframe.

Then the step to “can do ”isn’t far away.

while this is a few years ago the swing movement was changed to “can do” in a single session and the -4c wasn’t helping either.

Improve and learn as how do we gain what we don’t know?

Did a practice journal video today of todays practice. As I did practice working on a particular thing the phases one goes trough are fairly common, first we don’t know what to do really and while we may know what to do people then forget that the practice is about the new, not repeating the old.

First we cant do it so its easy to be frustrated due to your not really able to do it and even if you were you wouldn’t know it as it would feel, awkward, strange even wrong. Getting there towards being able to do goes trough phases as our brain wont change and alter the motoric patterns unless we work to build a new one. Once the frustration phase is happening which means your getting it but cant do it yet you find at some point the excitation phase happens its then the brain kicks in the new motor patterns your learning changing the neural network to adjust to the new.

Doing that thinking my practice is about hitting balls well its a bad idea.

I hit balls all over at the first phase due to I am focused to do the new not repeating the old one. Normally this cycle takes place within 30 swings for me. In less than 30 swings my patterns is built. Common for others is that within 20 minutes they can solidify the new and do it with proper feedback of course.

Then as I video this, I then watch later, analyze, then adjust and often an aha moment happens and a bigger adjustment can happen that’s implemented in the next practice.

Once a movement pattern clicks, you connect that movement pattern to a reference within the movement itself. You have now stepped outside the old pattern and it just cant be done anymore. Yes when you understand learning it wont take 5 years as Tiger did with Sean Foley, that just means he don’t understand learning.

Hans was the same, as I told him, hit a few, ask what he wanted, then he hit a bunch of balls, I talk some, demo a little, then as he was about to hit the third bucket, I did show him this I want you to do and he hit 3 balls and was done. He could now do. He thought he needed to practice this and I said, no you can do it now. Practice means to isolate the new, identify the new and once that happens your in transition from one to the next but when you can do, you wont need any more practice due to you can do. When that happens, most miss the signal and start to go back to old ways as they havent noticed things is working differently now. Once I get the signal, awkward, new, strange, easier etc..I am on track. Once confirmed one can then settle aha this is how it is when I do this then.

Problem is that the instruction has to be simple yet precise enough for the individual to be able to adapt to it while performing the proper movement. You cant really explain as even if you do you haven’t built the motor patterns or the perceived movement yet to relate to while moving in the swing.

Then proper feedback is needed, not drills.

That works best in person obviously, skype is ok but also difficult unless you obviously hit balls and even then it can be a bit difficult.

So when you practice, your aim is to do new, not hit golf balls. Isolate the new movement, then swing and utilize the feedback gained to alter and adjust until the movement is the proper one. The process is easy enough however the actual implementation can be difficult as your not used to build new and utilize the feedback this way. For me as I said its done within 30 balls. After that I seldom practice and either change to chip or pitch or putting.

Feedback is to provide where to move and what to do until your utilizing the proper movement and even then as you do just that you may fail to take notice its working and think it shouldn’t feel like this. I seen that happen as the individual dismiss the new as it don’t feel, right as it cant feel right only the old pattern can feel right but that one sucks.

Understand that your perceived reality in what your doing is misinformed is a good step towards learning new.

Language is a fun expression of mind

When you deal with assholes and critics a lot which I do due to they are in denial and don’t understand they are.

Words like for example “toy” in Swedish its “leksak” and it means translated, something you toy around with.

Implicitly you know when someone use the word toy that it is “something you toy around with”.

You don’t need to explain what the word Toy means as its implicitly understood.

That help us make short cuts to understand the subject what’s talked about but it also contain perceptual holes as you start to think along the way the same way so you basically stop understanding the words you use.

When Einstein came along the whole field believed in Newton and it was absolute, he told them all, its relative and no one believed him and today he is regarded as the genius of our time.

Soon, I am regarded as the genius of the future 100+ years and more.

When someone said the earth isn’t the center of the solar system the world didn’t believe him either.

Its always after the fact that people implicitly suddenly understand how it works.

Not before.

Then your just ignorant, often prejudicial and an asshole filled with hate of yourself. I understand those people making personal attacks that it isn’t about me but themselves. Once you understand that when the brain works the way it does using language making people have a path of thinking they cant get away from as it forms their thinking and decision making we can then educate them obviously to understand what happens and how it works.

I did and done that with dyslexia, professors and those working with dyslexia don’t understand what I am doing to help the dyslexic overcome their problem in a timeframe they call, impossible.

What typically happen is that people don’t want to know.

I point out that Richard Bandler shot and killed Corine 1986 due to evidence suggest that and the police don’t along with a court don’t put people on the spot thinking they are innocent as the evidence points them to the guilty party. Obviously the NLP student cant believe his trainer did that so they then end up in denial.

Dyslexia can be adjusted and when you point out that, dyslexic – apply the catmodel – not dyslexic anymore that suggest that what I did worked. However the response is from the professor, cant work without them have any evidence for their opinion whatsoever? 70% or so never read an article to understand it, they will comment without understanding due to they will either confirm their beliefs and assumptions about something and then write that without knowing if the article is real or fake.

What those Swedish males writing personal attacks only attack themselves I know, they don’t. Even when telling them that they don’t understand that either.

Socially and culturally your bind by the language you did grow up with and sure, if we start saying something you toy around with´you would assume why explain to me what a toy is?

You find that distracting from due to you have to then compress a sentence and then execute a understanding what was said which is a lot more work than to say, “toy”.

Take the toy and go to your room.


that what your toying around with take that and go to your room with it.

Now, a child is better off to follow the second longer example than the first one.

The first one requires them to be able to implicitly understand which a lot of kids simply cant do depending on the age they have.

How you use language and what way you sentence the words can be really important as you are in regard to kids educating them about how words and meaning connects.

When a whole field is doing the wrong thing then they wont understand what someone else does as I do.

I can train someone in RBIm they be better than Richard Bandler to do change work.

The NLP/DHE/NHR student will now tell you and others, that’s impossible.

I know they are wrong, they don’t.

What would be expected to happen would be a string of questions but people seldom use the meta model they learned as they cant apply it in the action.

Language as we process words like toy we learned to organize what is said into compressed meanings and that goes fast and when you analyze speech patterns like for example Donald trump you hear repetitions over and over again, nonsense really as he isn’t saying anything profound.

Its then your brain fills in the gap and adapt to what’s spoken without realizing you are. So it then goes back to either again confirm or deny what said to your agreement or denial.

Educating oneself about words like “Toy” can bring about a childlike wonder as something you toy around with and have fun using it.

Learning faster

The idea is really simple, do more and add feedback for improvement.

So for example, make a golf swing movement, then video it, check for positions and evidence of doing the movement properly, then adjust accordingly to the model, do it again.

Normally 3 to 5 such is enough to start make the new to work.

I do 2, one with whatever the state the swing is in and then check and then do a new one with the feedback implemented. If improved I then stop for the day.

Live – action- role – play or LARP is the way this works.

Its simple and fast.

Sure you can then add to that using definitions, the model applied and various focused attention markers as I do to aid the process but the overall usage wont be different.

Test again.

In a few days your movement has been built and works.

Developing the Talent Code

You want to be talented and then finds out your not. You then came upon the book the talent code by Coyle and thought yes hope has arrived.

While the Russian lady produced more talented tennis players than anyone else in the world, she didn’t know what she does that allows one child to become talented vs another one that gives up that didn’t get it. The same goes for every hot bed of talent Coyle wrote about.

Simply put, no one knows how to build talent specifically.

Thedanplan took a nosedive due to Dan followed modern golf swing theory, broke his back and got injured and gave up. The support of Anders Erickson’s 10k hour didn’t help to elevate the swing theory.

If you could know what builds talent specifically you be able to identify what worked to achieve the performance. Saying you need 10000 hours is to simplify what one does as focused deliberate practice isn’t enough.

You need a know how to simplify the actions done.

Thedanplan was swinging like this

Modern theory, short and wild.


but he could have swung like this

RBIm model long and accurate and efficient

If he had a better mechanics swinging it would help him to not get a bad back and injury plus added distance and accuracy.

Still performance isn’t just mechanics due to the way our mind works we want to know how to do the zone on demand. If your able to do that then your performance will always have a great quality every time you swing and play.

Now we have a composite problem.

  • Mechanics is part of a better performance.
  • Performance is also about the zone doing ones best
  • Deliberate practice 10k hours to talent mastery
  • We don’t know how to do this specifically.

A back story, I become an ace in fps shooters by applying what I did, then taught someone else to also be able to do so. I was also able to do my best in any client/teaching situation for 20 years now.

Then I been building models for 20 years.

People told me that you cant model a golf swing from someone and be able to do it, like Hogan or Mike Austin and then I not only did that but improved upon the mechanics of Mike Austin as I build a golf swing model that took what Mike Austin did and improved upon what he did. I was also coaching a guy at the same time so developing tools for his improved performance was part of my job as a coach.

As thing happens, now people have a more insight in talent and that one can develop talent that its not just to be lucky and be born with it. However what would you say then when baseball hitters have a better eyesight than others to see things? Some would assume, ok got to be born that way then. I mean you cant do as good as them if you have a different eyesight then. Link

I disagree with his statement though.

If you don’t have a perfect pitch for example in music, you can still train you to have it. So in actual benchmark there be no difference from the one born with an ear for perfect pitch and one developing it. Now the excuses will pile up why that isn’t true for baseball pitchers and hitters and so on and they would be wrong.

So if that is doable and possible for pitch in music why is people then call talent as a born ability you cant do if your not born with it? That’s fact and evidence showing that what people believe about talent don’t work the way people believe it does.
I been doing the zone in interaction with clients and students without having 10k hours behind me to learn to do it. I also did learn to be an ace in 3 months again no where near those 10k hours. I trained people to do complex change work that a 5 year trained psychotherapist cant do. One lawyer I trained could do work with clients a therapist cant do.

So either I am extraordinary talented or that I have a different tool set that is able to cut a different solution from the coal.

I know that if we can have a quality feedback which is one thing deliberate practice does btw and a better plan or strategy like a better mechanic for golf swings we can assume to some extent we can improve real fast due to the feedback offered improves the learning fast. However what feedback received and obviously there is a difference between the feedback you have if you spent years and not succeeded or been able to do whatever someone else that is talented in a field does.

One then need a better strategy to do and have better quality feedback to achieve similar performance as the talented one trough a new model.

The RBIm talent development program aims to do just that. I identified over the years the basic structural formats that allows someone to do the zone on demand. I been able to do so. Transferring the skill set was first unknown, NLP for example couldn’t be used to do so. I tried various ways. With RBIm 6 this however become doable and possible to achieve thanks to a better format to be applied to analyze the actions people do.

The format I been developing with contextual forms and the behaviors along with evidence and measurement started to come together in a way that allowed me to create a foundation for a talent model to be developed.

While one could deliberately practice a specific task within the field it wont mean you be as good, thedanplan showed that with golf, the modern theory the mechanics used was the limiting factor. If Dan had used the RBIm swing system he would have been doing a lot better.

To know how to improve the performance to create talent I devised a test.

I told Hans, ok I want you to do this and focus on this when you perform the swing.

His first session was flawless.

The second session he called me and was stressed out as he couldn’t do it. I said, do this then this and he hit a 9i perfectly again and he was questioning his sanity as he couldn’t understand what I said made him able to do it suddenly. I said, well whenever you do things you tend to use previous memory and then decide to do the same thing again. That’s cause a conflict in the system as now the brain has to adapt to what you want to do but now cant do. It becomes to difficult and obviously for Hans he was stressed out. I said, its a simple task, you need to know when you do what your suppose to do and what your suppose to not do. He as many are not used to control what people call unconscious factors in a conscious interactive way as I do. Once however the second session was done he started to progress faster due to being able to make a different distinction what he was suppose to do vs what he thought he wanted to do again he now could progress into the zone on demand.

Third session, fluid dynamic movement with efficiency

If you can access your best performance allowing a fluid action with a focused attention your actions then will be more efficient. This can be tracked trough various ways one is observation of tension in various muscles while performing the task.
I was asked from a tour pro what I could offer as someone else had all the gadgets which meant the tour pro believed in video technology and not his own mind and feel. Gadgets cant do what I am able to do.

The RBIm talent model builds a distinction what to focus on to allow you to isolate the action your doing vs what’s expected to be performed. The feedback between those allows the athlete or performer to rapidly accelerate their skills and performance beyond any known curves of learning. Whatever you been reading and believe about talent progress and performance, my technology does this faster than anything in the world.

My models in the technology for golf allows the player to:

  • Have the best mechanics efficiency in the world regarding accuracy and distance.
  • A focused mind on the distinction needed to perform the zone on demand.
  • The 10k hours devised by professor Anders Erickson isn’t needed as its outdated.
  • One then knows what to do specifically to develop talent trough the RBIm technology.

Sure, you still need a few hours to have the practice depending on the sport, physically and time needed but you be surprised how little time you need to improve your performance into something you never believed you were able to do due to lacking talent and now finding out you can do better than the talented ones as they cant access and do the zone on demand.

Contra indicators
Main issue is often the individual themselves while able to do it they cant believe they are doing it. They are locked in old beliefs about how talent works and how good they are suppose to be vs someone else in the field and suddenly becoming better than the best in the field can be a daunting realization for the individual.

More about the 10k hour and anders ericksson here

More about deliberate practice from James here