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OTT or Over the top or not?

Golfers all face the same thing that learning swing mechanics is a though thing to get right. Every golf forum is filled with how do I do it or how do I fix this or such. For many this becomes a fascination in itself to be more technical minded and to dwell into the details of how a finger moves. I understand such and it might be good but can also lead you into darkness and more detail than needed.

Over the top or OTT is when the right shoulder goes internal rotation from the top instead of externally rotates from the start top position. Instead of locking the right shoulder the socket the muscles does a judo throw over the shoulder socket which leads us to let the right elbow to go up and around in the down swing.

The Gif is Rory doing a proper top action External



The red shirt guy isn’t doing it right  Internal. (Kelvin research)









I been suffering from it and its been so bad I cant use a conventional grip anymore without doing it so I changed my grip.

Here is Larry 3 days ago a typical slight OTT with a spin around to the left side from the top. The second swing is 3 days later with new instruction. The OTT is now gone.

Main reason why this happens is that he now shallows out the shaft better obviously in the down swing which are due to the external rotation he now started to do. To shallow out the shaft in the down swing, then you need to do a proper external rotation of the right shoulder. I been reading up on fixes for the OTT over the years but none of them have worked for me.

I am a fan of concepts for sure my instructions are based upon detailed analysis but once formulated then the instruction itself is vague. The brain cant do detail that will fuck it up. If you are free to form a reference then you will find one that works for the task at hand.

So I asked what make it so you can always do a external rotation?

Once you are able to do that then you will find a proper action in the down swing and so it seems.

This works even for a tour Pro like Hans.

Many believe a tour pro have perfect swings, none of them do and many have huge compensations in them and they can play the tour due to them don’t go overboard with their game they stay with the game they know as if they go outside it then their score goes out the window and blue screens.

Naturally this new instruction allows you to start removing the OTT action you done and start activating the muscles of the right side, the scapula contraction and the latimuss dorsi and other spinae muscles also.

My thesis here was if one is able to do a proper external rotation as it seems its need to do for a good golf swing the question then becomes how to make sure your able to do it right. Hans, is for example surprised about it.

He hit a 375 yard carry driver with the new move.

He said it’s a bit longer now… Problem for him with irons is to much spin on the ball. I suggested a check with custom fitting to find more optimal launch angles for him.

While a tour pro will have any swing working for them the question still will be how consistent can you do it. Brian Gay for example don’t load his right side and activate them properly and he also hit it short but have superb putting to make him play the tour. Once you hit more greens and are more consistent then its all down to close to pin and putting.

A swing like Brian gay for example is so timing/compensation based its for me surprising he even can play the tour. A rising up at impact, not loading the right side properly etc…


The idea here is to train oneself to feel the external rotation and make sure it works as you then can speed up the swing motion. You can add likely 10-30mph depending what swing speed you had from the start once your movement starts to work for you.

Reaching the potential you have much like Mike Austin did.

Quotes from people and then what?

It’s a step and throw “Mike Austin.
Cool Mike please ask any Mike Austin trainer out there what that is and what to do to do that. None can answer you.

It’s a direction. “Richard Bandler”
Like gravity? Please ask any bandler trainer out there what that means.

Conceptual stuff like the above sounds nice on a brochure or in their heads. Its just this thing about our perception and consciousness that gets in the way to bridge the gap in between.

I was told that we take people where the problem isn’t, then asked the guy what to do and he told me stories that had no answer.

I am like, what?

I am like either I know or I say I don’t know or I guess. Trying to bridge the gap in between what I do and know and to get a message across to someone who has no rudimentary understanding about consciousness and their own thinking and perception isn’t easy at all.

For example I made this blog post earlier which takes a new concept to the table that there is no disassociation. It’s a groundbreaking concept that advances for example NLP and therapy with 20 years. I understand that but still it might be just me.

And that is how things start with one individual, then someone else might get it and so on until it reaches critical mass and the stuff becomes common sense and knowledge and then a new reality have been formed. That process takes decades btw.

When I was growing up there was a huge debate about acupuncture and things like chiropractic’s. It was all in the head a placebo. The people against that have since died out and the others have been more acceptable. Those newton fans back in 1920 also died out and Einstein’s theory of relativity today is fully a thing that pretty much anyone just assumes always been there.

I had this kid in my class once, he said but none of them thinks like me? I said yes I know but for him he suddenly understood that people was different than him in thinking. His father a Indi man became highly upset with me as I made his son free to choose things differently from culture and social integration that IMO pretty much suck ass.

When I go study things for me I always ask what’s the practical way, concepts are nice but I also know people seek comfort in them and quote them and thinks they understand them but that isn’t true as I ask them questions they cant answer. Maybe you know I should stop and just let the world continue to spin as it spins and just accept the way people think about the world that I just think is nuts as they fail to find the most common things that is there but I digress.

Concepts create a false sense of knowing, if Mike Austin said step and throw and demoed it people then think wow, that is it and then you continue to ask, so how do I do that step and throw, the answer isn’t there.

One of my quests as I call them has been to uncover the bridge of gaps between what people come to believe and think is real and they assume is correct and the difference of correlation to actual understanding and ability to do. I think that is one of the key things lacking in todays human world.
Its not a great job or such either as its not that appreciated due to the nature of people who simply don’t get it like the whole NLP world that haven’t yet asked me how to go from NLP to the future NLP called RBIm. I run the scenario it what NLP needs to go to and soon and just ask me guys….Ler

However as anything its easier much easier to accept that we don’t get it that we lack the gap and the information about it that we turn away from the challenge and difficulty and ignore it fully to just go to eat our food and live our life in ignorance that is easier and more acceptable also to do none will blame you for doing just that.

Does our action creates consequences and sure they do but sometimes all of them are correct and proper and sometimes we do things we do and people tells us its not the good thing to do its a bad thing like if your not sad at a funeral you’re a bad person as your not going along the social convention people subscribe to without even knowing they do.

So I am different then I guess, I don’t mind that I am different but other people have a strong tendency to not accept that as it makes them uncomfortable to face their own self’s their own world as they cant get that acceptance from me.

I see people how they are not what they think they are.

Naturally there is a huge discrepancy between those.

I pointed out to people about what Mike Austin did say and teach and it doesn’t match and more have suddenly started to see that also. It isn’t an answer in itself but at least it starts to question the current teachings and validity of such to then ask us differently what to do about that.
I taught Hans how to do this, and he now will do it even better the coming weeks.

Mixing things like Golf, minds and life you know for me there is no difference, swinging a club is mechanics but then also perception and feel and that upon itself also make us form stuff that we think we do but might not do so life comes along this also.

I just like to be able to answer the what as none could answer me.

Ongoing and I suspect it will never end Blinkar

Can you become good? The tree story

There are several ways we can become good at stuff. We can practice and using a role model we can gather their aptitudes with failed practice. To do it then compare to the role model and then do it again until it matches the role models result. (Larp) Live action role play.

If you want to learn to be a doctor you practice with mistakes with feedback to what you did and then do it again, if you want to do better golf you practice with mistakes with feedback to what you did and then do it again but all level of performances are depending on skills.

If you break down every sport you finds skills if you break down things like writing books, screenplays etc…or something else there are skills involved that one if identified can practice and improve upon.

NLP for example studied therapy how a really skilled therapists did things that worked to overcome problems for their clients. Those skills were mapped and put into working models (NLP Patterns) that when you practiced those gained skills that allowed you to to achieved results like those therapists had. You then become better than average therapist doing therapy in less time than what was believed to be needed in the field a one week practitioner can sometimes do things 5 years of university don’t even come close to.

In Golf many study golf swings, I don’t. I study how to play golf better. Mike Austin was the chosen role model for the golf swing but I choose other models to play golf. I looked at Nicklaus and others for different parts of the game.

What’s dominant is consistency but none of them can teach you consistency. Even them themselves had issues now and then to do consistency. Nicklaus however had his competitive drive to make him either win or be a runner up. It wasn’t his swing, putting or such but his competitive drive that allowed him to play his best every time. If one look at the wrong thing that people do to succeed and come to believe its the golf swing that makes you a scratch or tour pro then your in trouble.

I found for me a way to hit the ball straight recently, I changed my grip to a split one and then everything started to come together. Everything I cant do with those other grips I can do with a split grip and it helped me identify the back swing and the down swing flaws I have a tendency to do now and then.
Its due I look for patterns things you do that if you don’t evolve and succeed and make progress I then change things to make such progress and succeed.

Most don’t, they cant change due to them believe in the technology, trainer, method etc..or the common assumed belief shared along the community there.  I just don’t.

Think about this as, if you do improve it means you never get stuck, if your curve of improvement halts then you need to alter and change something due to your limiting or blocking yourself out. Often due to the belief the trainer put in you to assume to be true. Its common in every sport I checked that people do things there based upon assumed correct beliefs instead of results.

I start with success, that you already can do it, whatever happens to get you there will then be much easier. For example if you cant contain your experience doing things like the zone etc..its due to your not comfortable into letting the brain produce it due to the wrong focus and attention markers like the golf swing technique, positions etc…if the experience is disturbed a lot (compared) the brain cant produce a winning performance experience.

A Mike Austin swing wont transform you into a new Jack Nicklaus or Rory Mcilroy as you need other skills to do that.

Once the skills are there and your able to remove obstacles (habits/Beliefs/assumptions etc..) you learned to be able to sustain your experience over a period of time (zone) you then will be able to be good and do good.

We cant cheat us there, the skills needs to be there so we can focus solely to just play well if its golf or to coach someone into success as a client or whatever else the end result is simple attention to the thing that works to do the skills well.

Such practice however reside on perceived feedback and if you do what many does its easy to be seduced you did improved when you didn’t. I check facts what you actually did do. If your able to do that and not some fictive imagined level you didn’t do or the common I practice like this and I will get better due to the trainer said so and I then check what they do and they are not improving the way they think they are.

I then remove the technique focus and go primal and soon they make putts from everywhere, hit the drives longer and more straight. Better focus allows your experience to produce a better performance.
However many cant do this due to them believe something else makes them succeed and do better that has nothing to do with performances. Then that whatever they come to believe will get in their way to succeed.

I taken diagnosed dyslexics and in an hour transformed them to not be dyslexics anymore.

For the field of science with established technology they cant understand what I done and does and here is the kicker, they don’t want to know either as it makes them uncomfortable with success. So in 10 years time no scientist yet has called me and wanted to study what I do yet.

It’s the best technology in the world out there to handle dyslexia.

Its just make beliefs and assumptions people have about dyslexia and how to help them uncomfortable as they need to let go of old beliefs and assumptions.

Its as true with golf and its people there.

People come to believe reality is built one way, we don’t have the sensitivity normally to argue and check for differences and we accept the leading field what they do and say. If someone does do things differently that works better people still wont accept it as its contradicts the accepted way to do things currently people agreed upon. The brain perceptually do things based upon perception of maps, we are contextually accessing information based upon the context and neural nets in our brain wont be changing soon as a neural net is a signal value so what we do is to build new such neural nets than can draw upon them new information and the essential old one that works to do it.

There is no change or transformation of your performance, life, brain, problem etc..we just build new.

Once you understand that approach I do with RBIm you cant be stuck or limited.

You always build new. You then combine the new with the old that works to produce the desired result.

The brain makes a check to context and since you built a new one then it starts to sue that instead, just like that. The brain don’t make guesses or think it just runs on signal values we receive from the environment and our own thinking. If your own thinking makes you react and respond in a pattern then you build new and bring the new stuff you want and then the old stuff needed will be there also as the brain will fire new neural net threads to support the new action. Due to the nature of neurons and nets this can take some time to stabiles to the individual depending on what it is about.

Its like a tree branch, you plant a new tree next to the old one, the old tree sends a branch to the new tree and you then when you planted it with new information soon are able to increase the signal to use the new tree instead of the old one that slowly fades and the better your able to distinguish between the old and the new one the faster the transgression happens.

If we repeat stuff we grow faster signals in the neural net. If we build new then this interrupts the old signal and we can then adjust to the new. The brain is good doing faster with current information and once we established a new reference the new will become faster soon also.

As I found how to hit it straight I took notice it was a new thing I wasn’t used to do that and become as I played into this idea of accepting when I did it this way then it just went straight. And as I played this was a new experience that I haven’t had before. So as I played and this become accepted to me I then could start doing that and play from that reference. I was able to identify 3 things I did that I wasn’t aware off I did do. That alone allowed me to understand why I was struggling with the other grip and the mechanics.

If you do become stuck, a change of perspective might help, ask someone, read or check a video, or to do a change routine or something else as soon you do that what happens is a change of context is applied. Your moving your attention from the inside of one context to another and then the difference between those allows you to build a new branch and to discover a whole new tree.

That works.

8july golf swing progress

32celcius today so hot out there.

spent some time on the range with sis kid.

while things is improving I was so tired I even thought I would faint. However still standing. I tried a split grip today as it felt like I could get my back swing in order better and the down swing also and both assessment was confirmed.
I also discovered I could do a even better release which wasn’t happening here in the video. I been fighting the swing motion a bit so decided to try this which worked just fine, solid shots followed.
Its still early but with a better release action should improve things a bit more. I would like to lessen the secondary tilt a bit on the top of back swing but in all the way I hit the ball was solid.


A bright moment

The recent heat wave here is hard on me, when its get 20+c in middle of night then I have a hard time sleeping and I am about to compete tomorrow in 30c so I guess I drink 5l water during the round minimum.

Today not doing much I been drinking a lot also.

Now for me I be energized tomorrow, I be on and fine until the competition is over and I go home and look up on the roof for a few days as I wont be normally after tomorrow for a few days.

I then prepare accordingly.

I find many think its luck and talent that wins things I found over the years preparation is key. You can be high on motivation and such to go to a workshop and get the high from a tony robbins seminar and feel like you can jump over mountains and it feels really awesome no doubt.

However the world might not be ready for your high around you.

Practice is one thing but I don’t do much practice atm, I started slowly my gym program again as I cant play much golf.
I plan then accordingly to what I can actually do, if I cant practice I still work the things I work on albeit I do it differently.

I found that compressing material to expose yourself with intense periods is a good thing, want to be a chocolate/coffee/parfume or such tester? spend 3 days doing nothing else than to build aroma distinctions from those materials test, test and test for 3 days straight and you become a world quality tester in that if you are able to do so.

Did you believe you could read and watch a YouTube video and then go, ok I get it?

That the bright light of enlightenment then suddenly appear and you can do it?

Learning by doing and the approach I use makes you fail a lot.

Its painful many times as it forces you to go deep into digging out what your about to do forces you into a highly charged super motivated learner as the material when digested into usefulness wont get there slowly and tog et there fast you need to fail a lot during the learning.

I can install material and people tell me they didn’t learn anything from me and I ask, so when did you learn to do that? They say, I always done it, so I ask them well could you do it before the first day of the workshop?


So why did you say always then if you couldn’t do it before this experience and event with me then?

People then shrug it off and deny it and then start to pile up excuses.

They didn’t learn it from me for sure at least the shrugs and excuses.

Learning that way is for many magical they don’t know how they did learn it so then I didn’t taught them due to people are stuck with old patterns of learning those that you have from parents, school and work.

I do magic.

I just know how the science behind it works much like a magician make you see a car vanish into thin air somehow.

I just as what I do nowadays teach the failure approach as with that those that sticks with it gets good and I wont hear that other shit.

Putting for example is simple, I don’t understand how people can teach putting and make it so complex as you only need to do one thing and execute one thing to make the putt perfect.  I don’t get the complexity but I also spent time failing and making mistakes and then developed ways to map how to make it better.


For me whatever I do is simple, its been that for me for 20 years, its not luck and talent its hard work much harder than people want to do. You want answers as I say, then run that pattern for 5 years I say and then the student looks at me, but I don’t want to do that for 5 years and I say aha lazy?

You can have the simple answer its easy but to actually be able to do it and execute on it?

That requires a lot of difference and not so much reading a book, watching a video as it requires hands on working it to build distinctions and references in your head. Those that becomes good does the work.

I work my swing mechanics even when I don’t think and practice golf at all, I just have to do it differently. I then once arriving at the result, run tests of it.



It wont mean what I do is perfect or even near that yet as its progress at work.

I added tweaks to Hans, and he hits it better, I changed his putting and he putts better. Still he also needs to make sure he makes what he does consistent as results in golf are a tricky business as you can feel like your doing well but cant score anyhow.

You need to do and improve what makes you to do a better score.

Last competition I played I ended up in third place, I didn’t play that good but I also started to do something I never done before, playing golf. Next naturally is to make sure this happens more often and every time and from there improves again.

To do so I follow another rule, map what you actually did not what you thought you did.

If I make a bogie I made one I don’t think I could made a better swing or chip or putt to save par or even do a birdie. I map what I actually was able to do and then I go from there.

Once you get that down your progressing of skills will take over and your game will change faster and into a height of level you never thought possible.

Improving skills is key.

Whenever I have the time I bring the camera and shoot the putting drill I do.

The sun be out tomorrow, I bring my shades, sun oil and keep my head down and bring it on and endure it.

I will have a bright moment

When is a model a model?

Modeling is to some extent an artform.

If someone has a result in a given field, we can map that and build a model of it. I started with modeling back in 1995, and since then I continue to do it. Over the years I haven’t been mapping the modeling itself although I do have found that whenever I do it leads to a self recursive feedback of correctness.

You know what the difference is to do it or not.

I can teach someone how to do the dyslexia catmodel a way to establish a normal reader as you or me and to know when your done when it works.

I found that lacking in the NLP models.

For me when I build a golf model of the golf swing and as I study Mike Austin it was obvious whatever he did was different than what he taught. That difference the trainers of the Mike Austin golf swing cant explain. Naturally for me it peaked my interest to why that difference was there. So for a model to be done it has to be able to teach you to produce the same result the model did have. To some extent you can choose different criteria and I choose the motion. Once Hans did it, the modeling itself was over. Next was to start re-produce the how to the sequence to make it happen.  8 weeks on the range for me and before that I also spent a few months to improve the stuff with what to teach, what to do and understand the subject itself the golf swing. After the range sessions I then started to play, and I had the signal after a few rounds that my study was over I didn’t need to do more variations, I knew enough.

Next phase then is waiting for the answer.

Its more about finding what is there already and understand it but to do so a nuance of difference has to be there a distinction if you like to understand what is what that produces the desired result. When a model is a model it has a self recursive feedback loop built in to correct you to then be able to do it by such actions of feedback adjustments.

Larry was taught the new reference instruction yesterday and this is after he was informed what to do.
Its still early but we see a swallowing out of the shaft at the start of the down swing, something he never done before. For me it means the new instruction allows him to start doing things correctly. He didn’t need to know to shallow out the shaft it happens as a reaction to what he is trying to do now.

Old swing, no shallowing out of shaft

Mike Austin shallowed out his shaft in the down swing so does every pro.

Mike Austin

It’s a signal of what they are doing or an effect of what they do it happens due to other things they do.

I know that a take away and a top of back swing can be achieved the way it is done in many ways and as I stated the back swing is there to create the needed space in the down swing and then I asked, what is required to do a down swing and arrive at impact the way your suppose to do? If you know how to do that my assumption was based upon if that can be mapped then you should be able to build a pro like swing action.

Or in the case of this model a Mike Austin swing action.

In simple terms, its done when it allows you to produce the same result or action the rolemodel did do based upon the modeling criteria in this case the motion.

Problem will be you wont produce it the way the trainers teach the Mike Austin swing today. The difference with a model as it will allow you to re-produce the result Mike did, not what he did teach.

An NLP model for example if you apply the meta-model and when no deletion, generalization or distortion are present anymore in a sentence someone utters then you applied the model but if you do so you wont have any friends left to talk to. The model itself tear realities apart.  Its not a user-friendly model.

The model I am building allows you to clear up old patterns, compensations you might done and do in the golf swing as you learn to do it.

Feedback as you know is important for me as that you can improve from. If no feedback is attended to with what your actually are doing then improvement wont happen you only think you did improve. Its one reason I do good with what I do with RBIm.

RBIm is a model built upon the difference between NLP and Mythoself and the interconnectedness of Roye Fraser along the way.

I know how to make someone produce the zone at a given performance they want to do. You don’t need to elicit the state before and then anchor it and then fire it off like NLP has to do as it’s a inefficient and not an elegant model anymore like RBIm is. Yes while I was building a model for the golf swing I also started to update the RBIm model along the way.  It allowed someone to reach their potential to become Olympic material in triathlon.

RBIm will become more user-friendly due to the model will allow you to structure up your states of consciousness based upon the way the brain create comparisons and how it react and responds to contexts.

I do the work you benefit from it.

18 hole zombiegolf

Today was a hot sunny day 23celsius. I felt tired and in hindsight should settle for 9 holes.

Range hit a bucket, felt fine and was swinging well.

Playing 18 however, didn’t hit one good solid swing during the round, issues with aiming was paramount and had trouble focusing, made 3 pars, 2 up and downs, only 1 gir though and wasn’t close at all. 13 is a short par 5, hit a ok drive there and a 7i to pin high to much draw so fringe green. Greens are early it meant, badly cut, no grass on some, high grass on others so didn’t count putting today.

chipping was on target and felt fine and better than before and the short game is better. Long game is now a waiting game.

at the end I was almost delirious and came home and got a pizza. I get some coffee and likely to fall asleep soon on the sofa.

I feel fine about this though, I feel its getting there, range is fine so I don’t need much more to get it going on the course.  I just wish I wasn’t so tired since that isn’t helping when I play, range I feel fine but walking just is pain as I cant really think out there.

I felt like a zombie though but I am likely to rest until Tuesday now.

Tomorrow golf time

Home course opens tomorrow. Yay!
Like a cow being indoors all winter its time to rush out and see the green. It be early greens, no good but I wont mind that as I just want to walk and get some exercise and test out what I improved.

Hans hitting a driver.

Tonight it be X-Men movie time with sisters kid.


7i and 6i. better impact with 7i there.

Much better today, didn’t stay long to sunny and hot. Improvement for consistency with the swing pattern is better, still minor thing with back swing but its playable now at least.

Excited for tomorrow.

Summer day


It is hot 22c or so, sunny so even if I was tired I went and spent a bit of time on the range.

I struggled today, don’t help if your tired.

In the end I got the message, I was standing open with hip and shoulders.  I then started to really make better swings once I adjusted set up. I was puzzled and thought it strange and as I swung the hybrid really well I was going back to that to find out what I did there. Once I did that it was obvious, oh rob your way open here.

Once adjusted I was able to get down from the inside much better but due to being so tired I work on this at tomorrows practice.