Is there a on plane golf swing?
To say you can do a one plane golf swing to follow some invisible glass plane like Hogan suggested seems like a nice dream.
Athletically we can do things that’s more in tune with force, torque and mobility.
Trouble happens when we try to think we can do a position or plane or angle. Those are there to understand what’s going on but not to be focused on while we play.
This becomes an issue for amateurs or players who want to play golf like thedanplan. He is an amateur that use modern golf theory and while its perfectly fine as a theory in actual practice it isn’t as it requires dedication and also if one asks me much easier to learn before you build muscles before age 10.
The above image is Dan in September. He is working on a one plane swing it seems.
Dan faces the issues anyone who is older than 10, either they have had been golfing before or as Dan totally new but also 4 years into the golf swing and game.
When we are really young we cant leverage the club using muscles, we then learn intuitively how to move the club by responding to the force instead of trying to make force.
I turned Hans into a left side swing. You can compare that to Dan and you find a few things that is different. One is distance where Hans leverage 310 carry with driver I am not sure how far Dan is doing but if he is at 260 yards I be surprised.
The plane don’t really exist, some say Moe Norman was a plane swinger as his shaft aligns with address and then as he comes back to impact pretty much is the same. Its fine if you want to hit like Moe at 220 yards also. When Moe hit it long there was no alignment.
What Moe managed to do was to be really accurate.
If someone asks me I say well you want to start the swing softly and move the arms into a one single takeaway outside out and then up and then fit the top position as you would throw a American Stewie err football.
The problem for Dan is modern theory. He will struggle with his mechanics as he haven’t learned the pressure responses as a kid.
For me whenever I do what I do (modeling) then I need to consider options like how do I teach an adult that haven’t the kids reactions and the lack of feel for example? Feel can be taught, I taught Hans the difference.
When I watch Larry swing I check for what muscle firing he has, if he use his old or is applying the new. If he applies the new and the old firing is going away I am fine with it whatever the swing is like. He then has listen and are trying to find what he is suppose to do and then I can add new instructions to further nuance what he needs to do. I sent him today a tweak to add to how his muscle to start the downs wing can be made easier. So while he has trained one sequence for a week or so, this next bit makes that easier to do without practicing much.
The plane itself will be there when your able to respond to the forces in a golf swing when done properly. Problem is as always how to go about that to teach oneself such as I have to do just that myself during spring. While my last round and range sessions confirmed what I worked on is working it also caused more questions and research to be done. In the end I might need a microscope to find what cells do what when a golf swing is performed.
A tour pro is easy to teach due to them have a ton of responses already made, then to change them into a new mechanics is relatively simple. The amateur however you also need to teach feel and make sure they don’t try to do what they are used to do instead of doing the new. Hans see that with his friends, he might add 30 more yards or more and a week or two later they are back at the old distances due to the new felt awkward to them as they didn’t know what they were doing and started to think about what they were doing instead of just you know play better.
An older gentleman at the range here last year, I made him high as he struck each ball perfectly, he played better and lower his handicap but had issues handling the new found golf swing. It took me 20 minutes of watching him hit balls telling him what to focus on and then make sure he got the message down.
Changes in a golf swing don’t take long once you move the body better more naturally. If you don’t do it like like Sean Foley does then 5 years isn’t enough time that even the best golfer the last 17 years cant do it.
Make it more difficult to do timing and then something going to go.
I ask Hans, did it work better? More speed, more compression, easier, what else?
His last swing video is better but he also reversed slightly to his old down swing which isn’t strange as he just pounded the ball today. Changes within the fine motoric actions takes longer to adapt for the individual. I remind him of that and find out what works for him as whatever change we do slowly happens over time. I am changing my golf swing already as I don’t need to do range to implement them.
Ben Hogan felt like he swung on a plane, but that is what the brain tells him what it feels like when eh pressured the angles.
Do what he did, don’t do what he said.
If someone would ask me can I become tour pro? My answer would be yes its doable and possible. It will require some work as the golf swing is just one variable, putting, and the short game is a dimension there also. I said to Simon it takes 3 years to build the foundation and that is with me.
Once you find how to leverage the club athletically and are finding the angle to throw like Mike Austin did then slowly your golf swing will organize to that and you be able to play golf without thinking about what to do and where the ball is going to go, its going to go where you aim it. Organization is a response to the form and structure you then are able to do perform consistently. Once that is there your golf swing will be going trough changes without needing to change. It be more intuitive feel based.
Glass then breaks.